I welcomed Steve Rio, Owner and Facilitator at Enfold. Steve, an expert in technology and software, on the show to discuss his experience with building software, managing data for large non-profits and foundations, and working with many notable organizations such as the Ford Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation.
Steve described their psycho-spiritual model for healing and personal growth, which involves the use of psychedelic medicines, coaching, semantic work, and community connection. He highlighted that they have been working with 5-MeO-DMT for over five years and consider it to be their primary focus due to its unique experience and effectiveness. Steve explained that 5-MeO-DMT is similar to other tryptamines like LSD and DMT, but its experience is intense and semantic, and it’s significantly shorter in duration depending on the route of administration.
Richard and Steve discussed the use of 5-MeO-DMT in therapy, focusing on its ability to rewire attachment styles and provide a profound shift in perspective. Steve explained the three levels of their work: the nervous system, personality, and spiritual system. He emphasized the importance of contextualizing these insights and helping clients apply them to their lives. Richard raised questions about the benefits of the therapy for those who may not fully understand their issues. Steve clarified that the medicine is most effective for those who are ready to face hard truths and are not seeking it as a first step in their personal or spiritual development.
Steve and Richard discussed the pursuit of wealth and its impact on one’s sense of fulfillment and accomplishment. Steve argued that sacrificing one’s personal life for the sake of earning money can be a trap, as it doesn’t necessarily bring true happiness or satisfaction. Richard agreed and emphasized the importance of finding meaning beyond monetary gain, such as giving back to the community or making a positive impact on the people one works with. They also touched on the potential of psychedelics in helping individuals become more aware of their lives and values, and the importance of mindfulness in aligning one’s thoughts and actions with their true values. Finally, they recognized the significant influence of these factors on personal relationships as well.